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Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: LoC on April 14, 2006, 08:31:28 PM Not a real question but I'm a little bit shocked about the fact, that the next Version of "Garry's Mod" will cost 10$. What do you think about that?
I hope that other moding teams will not do the same shi* as Garrys Newman. (I will buy the mod but ...) http://www.steamreview.org/?p=68 http://forum.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=125266 http://forum.facepunchstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1489436&postcount=11 :roll: Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: zenarion on April 14, 2006, 09:38:58 PM A lawyer will rape the whole mod team while reciting the chapters in the Constitution about copyright fraud.
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Wolf on April 14, 2006, 09:55:40 PM unless GW actually like EX and saw it as a good oppertunity to make A good GW game. but even then they wud suck all the life out of the game
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: migb on April 14, 2006, 10:33:37 PM Yeah, if GW buys it, please keep them out of the actual process of game-making.
Far too many scary official GW games out there. Like Fire Warrior. Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: ChromeAngel on April 15, 2006, 10:37:56 AM I'm rather hoping that the whole pay for Garry's mod thing is an extened april fools. Although under the terms of the Source SDK Valve can legally do that with any mod, just like they did with CS and DoD.
I fear this will only encourage those mod teams who style themselves as "studios" and aim for commercial success above all else. Thankfully EX is shielded from such action by our blatent trademark and IP infringements :wink: Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Typheron on April 15, 2006, 11:30:18 AM that and studio level organisation and commercial sucess are too much effort...
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: zenarion on April 15, 2006, 01:56:34 PM dammit.. and i already made a Studios logo, and a video to replace that *valve* thing for the exterminatus intro..
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: migb on April 15, 2006, 07:51:10 PM I am afraid that Garry have shot his own mod in the leg.
It looked as it was evolving into an alternative to SDK, but when you have two equally good options for mod-making, and one is free... Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Khargoth on April 16, 2006, 10:50:03 AM Perhaps not making people pay for EX, but maybe have paying members have full access to EX servers (In other words, people aren't paying for EX, but to maintain a dedicated server for it), and non-paying members having limited access (much the same as Rag Doll Kung-Fu, Steam offers a demo version, and it's great fun!)
Comments? Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: migb on April 16, 2006, 11:38:20 AM Well, the idea sounds good. But I can't see what scenario it would become relevant in.
Say Ex becomes a small mod with very few servers, like RS. Then you would like to have access to a server, but would anyone actually pay for access? I would only pay for access to an online game with lots of players. And then say Ex become a great mod with many players and servers. Then you already got quite good servers from the player community, and will have to invest in really good server equipment to offer something extra. But maybe it will become relevant. But better ask the community whether anyone wants to pay for a good server before investing money in it. Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Razielk on April 16, 2006, 11:53:37 AM The problem is that it cant legally happen! Because pretty much every bit of content for the mod is interlectual propperty of GW we are not allowed to charge people for the mod or make any money from it, from what I understand anyway..... unless GW have a sudden change of heart and start supporting mods based on their games :roll:
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Wolf on April 16, 2006, 12:06:20 PM GW people have no souls, they cannot support other things that arnt their own money making ideas
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Khargoth on April 17, 2006, 02:06:41 PM Quote from: "Wolf" GW people have no souls, they cannot support other things that arnt their own money making ideas correction, they cannot support anything that isn't guaranteed to make them money... they'll happily steal ideas. Go read the original Starship Troopers, specifically what MI look like in their armour. The original Space Marines look nothing like them, but think about what they've evolved into... Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Deadmeat on April 17, 2006, 03:04:38 PM It's because of the way GamesWorkshop has evolved as a business. In the early days those kind of games were (and I guess to some degree still are) very much aimed at a niche market. They were designed by the people how also avidly played them and created them as they saw fit. As the business expanded and the money really began to roll in GW became alot more corporate, a consequence of which was that most new ideas and 'improvements' were influenced more and more by the money men and were less true the designers original concepts. Same thing happens to almost all successful business's. I think it's a shame that, with all the increased funds available, creativity becomes more stifled rather allowed to florish.
What can I say? Money makes the world go round. Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Khargoth on April 18, 2006, 05:24:22 PM Which is why Chaos hasn't gotten new Terminators or a plastic Dreadnought in the last ten years, because people are foolish enough to still buy them. I made a tiny moral stand, and bought the FW Iron Warriors dread, because the metal one is terrible!
I declare a boycott of Chaos Space Marine miniatures until we get plastic Chaos Termies and Dreadnought. Considering how much money GW have pumped into Chaos for the coming campaign, we may just break this money-horse's back... Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Typheron on April 18, 2006, 06:34:05 PM i belive GW would suggest you simply convert everything from the standard SM spruces. Which is probably what there gonna do anyways for chaos stuff...
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: zenarion on April 18, 2006, 07:21:01 PM Why would anyone want to charge people to play their mods? It's a MOD for heavens sake! You make it because the whole *making* process is fun. If you want to tell a single-player story, you can tell that story to more people if the SP game is free. If you start demanding money, people will just say "nah screw you" and not play the mod. On the other hand, we who are intersted in WHFB/40k are suckers when it comes to holding on to our cash. We've bought minis so overpriced that it would make a third-world country person scream in pain!
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Khargoth on April 19, 2006, 01:46:28 PM Quote from: "Typheron" i belive GW would suggest you simply convert everything from the standard SM spruces. Which is probably what there gonna do anyways for chaos stuff... Even an Imperial kit with a Chaos Conversion sprue would be fine! I suggested this on another forum (I think it was Iron Warriors 4th Grand Company) that it wouldn't be too hard to do a conversion kit for the plastic Terminators. Quote from: "zenarion" we who are intersted in WHFB/40k are suckers when it comes to holding on to our cash. We've bought minis so overpriced that it would make a third-world country person scream in pain! Hmmm, I'm booking a flight to India with nothing but a Warhammer 40k and Forge World catalogue, so I can point out what I've bought from them... (My IW army cost over $400 to get to 1000pts) Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Deadmeat on April 19, 2006, 02:14:01 PM Quote from: "zenarion" We've bought minis so overpriced that it would make a third-world country person scream in pain! Ahhh, I remember the days when £8.99 would by you 30 plastic Space Marines and a pifling £12 would get you 60 plastic Warhammer Fantasy Battle models (10 Elf, 10 Dwarf, 10 Orc, 10 Goblin, 10 Skavern, 10 Dark Elf). I also remember how the prices rocketed in the space of about a year. Shame on GW. Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Eltharyon on April 19, 2006, 04:12:44 PM This is a complicated issue:
On the one hand, yes, all software should be free, love, peace and open source. A mod should be about the making of it. On the other hand, there comes a time where modmakers need to look into their personal future. A good way to get noticed (and a really good kick start) is to deliver a product people actually pay for. I think Garry is on the right way (for himself). I personally never liked the man. Everything I've read around the net pointed to a very ambitious and dislikeable character, but who am I to judge (especially based on dodgy forum posts). So effectively, IF I had a mod I COULD sell ( unlike EX ) I would approach "the next step" in a similar way. I would leave the original mod as free, but I would try to create a (greatly improved) version for sale. Remember, it takes years for a mod to acquire enough popularity to even consider such a step... Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Rebellion on April 20, 2006, 09:11:46 AM Quote from: "migb" Yeah, if GW buys it, please keep them out of the actual process of game-making. Far too many scary official GW games out there. Like Fire Warrior. Indeed, fire warrior sucked. the book was alright though.#Anyway, fuck valve for doing this. It may be fair (garry put a lot of money into GMod) but valve are only gonna give him like 50 cents of the whole $10. Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Eltharyon on April 20, 2006, 04:39:41 PM I thought he gets 50 % ?
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: zenarion on April 21, 2006, 09:26:49 AM But how would this work? Since all intellectual property is of GW and the game engine, SDK, and everything else belongs to Valve... I do not think they would get so friendly with each other.
Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Typheron on April 21, 2006, 11:47:58 AM we are not charging for RS2, so its mute point.
It will be free as was intended. the IP ensures this. Title: 1st post.. economic perspective? Post by: Lukovich on July 25, 2006, 04:35:10 PM We have to remember games workshop is a company, [blood sucking as it is], strange that it is a luxuary good so should be very elastic in price (increase in price leads to a larger decrease in demand) but when prices go up people still buy oodles of the stuff i mean the other day low on cash but i had 20 quid... i hadnt been in gwk for soo long so thought.. woo thats my £5 assassin and a troop squad... troops had gone up by 3 quid.. to £18.... did it stop me buyin it? no! will it stop people buying it no? Im actually shoked that gamees workshop released the plastic stealthsuits for tau.. ugly as i think they are.. but still they charge oodles for stuff that costs little to produce originally...
i mean if they can make profit thell do it in anyway.. i.e tau was released ... a very anime looking army... guess when? before release in japan. sorry gone kinda off topic.... kill me later :P also woo looking foward to the mod ^_^ Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: Typheron on July 25, 2006, 07:58:23 PM yes, we can tell.
Once upon a time i could get a troop squad for £10, a long long time ago... but it is kinda off topic. Title: Pay for Exterminatus? ;) Post by: ChromeAngel on July 26, 2006, 08:52:19 AM I recall the days when you could get a boxed set of 30 plastic space marines for £10....
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