Title: Next most possible race Post by: Nqss on August 21, 2012, 12:41:28 PM Next most possible race is obiviously an Imperial Guard (opinion as a player)
We have most of weapons done for them and i have in mind some suggestions on classes and gameplay assets NOTE , imperial guard gaining points x1.5 times faster then marines or tyranids Why? guardsmen obiviously got lower health then tyranids or marines , die faster and cant be usefull in close combat , so they suppose to reach higher tiers faster. NOTE , all guardsmen got about 75-80 hp , im not sure about the number , but seems about right , due to the game balance most possible to create , even with currect stuff : + needs work or alot of work : - Tier 1 -Guardsmen with Lasgun +
Tier 2 -Veteran with Bolter + -Kasrkin with Melta + -Kasrkin with hellgun -/+
Tier 3 -Kasrkin with grenade launcher - -Guardsmen with deployable heavy bolter (and lasgun) -
Title: Re: Next most possible race Post by: ChromeAngel on August 21, 2012, 07:11:07 PM Hypothetical
I like your 1st tier suggestions, but I think lasguns shouldn't penetrate armour, but should have unlimited ammo instead (no reload times, no dying just to get a new clip). For the second tier I would suggest 3 of...
For the 3rd Tier
Practical Even at increased points gain balancing warriors to guardsman is going to be a hell of a stretch. We've got world models for some of the 1st tier stuff, but no view models or suitable hands. I always viewed the teams of EX as Humans VS Tyranids, with all forms of imperial soldiery on the Human team. Adding a tier 0 with IG on the human team VS Gaunts on nid team would be more practical. IG are not a terribly popular race, I get asked when Orks and Eldar are going to be added far more often. I would be easier/faster to convert the UM assets to CSM than create all new assets for IG. Title: Re: Next most possible race Post by: Nqss on August 21, 2012, 07:37:09 PM Hypothetical I like your 1st tier suggestions, but I think lasguns shouldn't penetrate armour, but should have unlimited ammo instead (no reload times, no dying just to get a new clip). For the second tier I would suggest 3 of...
For the 3rd Tier
Practical Even at increased points gain balancing warriors to guardsman is going to be a hell of a stretch. We've got world models for some of the 1st tier stuff, but no view models or suitable hands. I always viewed the teams of EX as Humans VS Tyranids, with all forms of imperial soldiery on the Human team. Adding a tier 0 with IG on the human team VS Gaunts on nid team would be more practical. IG are not a terribly popular race, I get asked when Orks and Eldar are going to be added far more often. I would be easier/faster to convert the UM assets to CSM than create all new assets for IG. well , why did i suggested to have more point gain for the IG is simply to do the favorite tactic of IG , meet with the enemy as fast as you can and die in the name of Emperor after that you'll meet enemy with more powerfull weapon like melta and will be able to fight back and god help enemy if IG manage to fight back well , because it will be tier 3 for IG next time they die. as for tiers why no Kasrkins? they are one men who gave good name to IG and they usually carring more powerfull guns as for the game of FPS with 2 sides (i mean a practical side of gameplay here), one of which is meele (atm), guns means more then health -ratling snipers , are they in IG? i mean , heard of them , but never saw them as a legit unit anywhere -Orgryn ...i guess its alright for t2 unit , but that brings me to the memory of huge characters spam -Sanctioned psykyer , now that souns like tier 3 actually -Sister of battle? why? -Commisar could be able to frindly fire player with health lower then 15 and buff boom ppl around with higher ROF for several seconds -Imperial Assasin , sounds really legit , invisible , hight distance attack , good damage -Sisters of battle again , now i see your approach here , you dont want to jerk around with stationary heavy bolter code , understandable actually -Sentinel....im gonna disagree with you , since for now , mod is infantry based and i cant see a sentinel in game anyhow Besides , Stahl is a fan of IG , so he would gladly move the IG to the sunlight Might be CSM vs IG in some future? or possibly even to choose teams , which is about to fight Title: Re: Next most possible race Post by: Stahlhagel on August 21, 2012, 10:25:08 PM without tanks , ig is useless. theres just no way to balance them right and make them feel true to lore... on some maps though ig vs orks or stuff like that would be much more doable
Title: Re: Next most possible race Post by: ChromeAngel on August 21, 2012, 10:29:20 PM ... as for tiers why no Kasrkins? they are one men who gave good name to IG and they usually carring more powerfull guns as for the game of FPS with 2 sides (i mean a practical side of gameplay here), one of which is meele (atm), guns means more then health -ratling snipers , are they in IG? i mean , heard of them , but never saw them as a legit unit anywhere -Orgryn ...i guess its alright for t2 unit , but that brings me to the memory of huge characters spam -Sanctioned psykyer , now that souns like tier 3 actually -Sister of battle? why? -Commisar could be able to frindly fire player with health lower then 15 and buff boom ppl around with higher ROF for several seconds -Imperial Assasin , sounds really legit , invisible , hight distance attack , good damage -Sisters of battle again , now i see your approach here , you dont want to jerk around with stationary heavy bolter code , understandable actually -Sentinel....im gonna disagree with you , since for now , mod is infantry based and i cant see a sentinel in game anyhow Besides , Stahl is a fan of IG , so he would gladly move the IG to the sunlight Might be CSM vs IG in some future? or possibly even to choose teams , which is about to fight I missed Kasrkins off my list mainly because i'm an oldskool IG gamer and they just didn't occur on my mental army list. I've got nothing against them, but why play a guardsman that's slightly better all round, when you can have fun with a brutish Orgryn or a Snipy Ratiing? I'm concerned they might get overlooked for more distinct, sexier classes. I've got a couple of squads of Ratlings in my old (3rd ed) IG army, I should be very sad if my little abhuman snipers are no longer codex legal. Orgryns wouldn't be anywhere as big as most of the Tyranid classes, so I wouldn't worry about the size of them. Similarly with the Sentinel, just think of it as infantry the size of thrope. Sanctioned Psykers would be a very vulnerable class, which is why they would be tier 2 not 3, but give the IG a chance to counter a fex if they both hit 2nd tier at roughly the same time. SoB because I want to have a single player operating a heavy weapon in tier 3, AFAIK SoB are the only imperial unit that does that, but I don't want her to be the odd one out. So basic SoB at tier 2 and Uber SoB at tier 3. Commissar... seems very forced, I'd rather just give a commissar model to EX heros who choose the melee IG wargear and get a genuine leadership boost. I would really rather prefer to pit a new 3rd race against either of the exiting ones. Could I persuade you to back chaos undivided renegade IG as a 3rd race? re tanks: Possibility of a Vox operator class at 2nd or 3rd tier, with the ability to spawn players localy (grav chutes) and call in artillery strikes, but then we'd have to limit them to 100% outdoor maps. |