mmm about the boltgun and killing gaunts. (GMOD SWEPS)

[Typheron]

a bolter is rapid fire, which in TT means one shot up to 24, and 2 shots up to 12.

i perceve this as single shot and burst respectivly.

i still maintain the best thing about Firewarrior was that it accuratly represented how a boltgun fires and i personally think that our boltgun should fire in a similar manor, although when it comes down to it we will have to see what works in testing and then balance it off what the fluff says.

[Darknar]

firewarrior was wrong with most weapons but the bolt gun was accurate than most weapons, beter than the pulse rifle and pulse carbine, th las rifle was not veruy good but beams are hard to make and the railrifle was just a shock rifle. but i agree the boltgun was accurat

[Eltharyon]

Hmm, I don't like using firewarrior as a basis for a discussion... imo the game was yet another disastrous attempt at a 40K adaptation and was all in all completely horrific

[Typheron]

despite the horriable ness of the whole game, i feel the boltgun they came up with was the best thing about it. It fired small missles, it fired them one at a time or in burst at a cost of accuracy.

It fired them as they are fluff described, although the art work always shows something different.

[Alhaus]

Ya that was the one good thing about firewarrior, most(not all) of the weapons were background correct. Though the explosion of the bolter round was a little bit over done imo, it was nearly the size of the marine lol

[Deadmeat]

I always think of the bolter as having both a semi-automatic and full-automatic fire modes, using a principle similar to modern day assault rifles - for most situations the weapon is used in semi-auto because it's easier to control, allows for greater accuracy and conserves ammunition. It's only at really close ranges, often in built up areas where Line Of Sight is very limited where the greater firepower of a fully automatic weapon really pays off. I don't see the bolters automatic rate of fire being especially high though, prehaps 4-6 bolts per second (compared to about 8 rounds per second for a WWII SMG).

[Darknar]

boltguns are not mondernay conventional weapons, they are singleshot missile launchers in effect that can qute possibly get a maximum 4 round burst, if the gun fires any faster itr will be prone to jam, boltguns are increadbly unreliable thats why marines spend half there free time servising just there boltguns

[Deadmeat]

boltguns are not mondernay conventional weapons, they are singleshot missile launchers in effect that can qute possibly get a maximum 4 round burst, if the gun fires any faster itr will be prone to jam, boltguns are increadbly unreliable thats why marines spend half there free time servising just there boltguns

I didn't say boltguns were conventional weapons, I said the theory behind the use of semi-auto and full-auto modes of fire would be the same as modern weapons.

Personally I think the fluff about the bolter being complex and unreliable is ridiculous - what the hell is so complex about it? All the bolter itself does is trigger the propellent within the shell casing to launch the bolt from the barrel, after which the bolts own propellent ignites. It's the ammunition that is complex, expensive and difficult to manufacture.

[Typheron]

boltguns are not mondernay conventional weapons, they are singleshot missile launchers in effect that can qute possibly get a maximum 4 round burst, if the gun fires any faster itr will be prone to jam, boltguns are increadbly unreliable thats why marines spend half there free time servising just there boltguns

actually thats not entirly true, commercailly avilable boltguns are not highly relyable (see necromunda stuff), However Space marine issue boltguns are a breed appart. There precision engineered and manufactured for the Space Marines. I mean why the hell would you give your best fighting force a crappy weapon.

maintence is to appease the machines spirit more than it is to keep the gun working.

Although in sayign all this, god only knows what will happen when we get it in game and testing, it could be a rapid fire bolter is what we need after all.

[Darknar]

yeah, but i expect the marnes to be hard as rock and nails when we get to play, only slightly harder than a warrior. but a warrior when up close would rip a marne head from limbs etc. the marnes should be the heardidt thing ever.

[Typheron]

well health wise the marine will be significantly weaker than the warrior.

basically the only thing going for the marine will be the silly amount of guns he carries with him into battle and their ability to do some real damage.

[migb]

basically the only thing going for the marine will be the silly amount of guns he carries with him into battle and their ability to do some real damage.

I really hope you meant the silly amount of damage those guns can do, rather than the amount of guns he can carry...

[Typheron]

thats what i said, read ti again carefully this time...

[Deadmeat]

well health wise the marine will be significantly weaker than the warrior.

basically the only thing going for the marine will be the silly amount of guns he carries with him into battle and their ability to do some real damage.

What about the Space Marines rather spiffing power armour? That should provide quite significant protection against some attacks (fleshborers for example).

[Typheron]

yes it will indeed provide some decent cover from that kind of thing, dont like your chances again the claws tho...