Civillan vehicles

[Dread]

think one of the levels in the old game warhammer chaos gate in the single player campain had some vehicles, not sure though, was some time since i played it

otherwise i would say starwarsish like in the 3 first made movies

[zenarion]

Imperium is in its darker ages. Technology is rare. I cannot imagine any Rich people even existing on a hive world.

Some kind of industrial looking cars i think. Google up vechicles from behind the Iron Curtain, from lets say, 1920-1970 ies. I would say that they are a good source for inspiration.

functional design is the key here. nothing fancy.

[migb]

I cannot imagine any Rich people even existing on a hive world.

I can, and the fluff definately can.
Remember, even though the state controls both govornment, military and religion, it is still a liberal system, in the economic sense.
There will be very rich people that owns the factories and makes piles of money on off-planet trade.
And the high government officials are paid good money, and they also have to live somewhere.

So there is definately expensive vechiels around, though the game could stick to the worker areas only.

[Rebellion]

If tanks arent hovering, why should cars? Btw, fluff is this.
Families own the hives, and they live in the main spines. Each section and the city is owned by different cadres, be it slums or industrial.
There are alsoa regiment of IG there, made from the population.
Now THATS fluff

[Khargoth]

I had an idea. 40k technology is very blunt and chunky, not a lot of smooth flowing lines, and everything seems to be heavy and thick. What kinds of vehicles reflect this? cars from the 1920-1950's of course! If you look in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, inside the back cover (the entire Studio IW on display) you can see a car crushed by a long-distance powerline support. It looked very '40k' in that it was heavy, and thick, yet still smacked of class. Go look at some Bentley's in the early 40's. Cars are still plentiful in 40k, but the majority of the population does rely on public mass transport. Upper-middle class peoples like members of the Arbites and upper-echelon Ministorum executives would have personal transport, although not exactly very luxurious. Aristocrats and upper-class peoples would definately have personal transport, a hover-limousine sounds very appropriate, other things would be small shuttle-craft and helicopters. Plus you can bet there would still be light mover vehicles like lorries and rigid-chassis trucks. Even just a few forklifts and a moving van adds atmosphere to something like an industrial area.

As for the lower classes, you can bet they'd rely on something like the Metro or Subway lines. An interesting idea for map design might be subway tunnels, with the occasional wrecked train (full of mutilated corpses of course, mini 'horror scenes' in maps add heaps of atmosphere) as an obstacle, forcing players to advance single-file either side of the cars. Another obvious one is to have collapsed sections of above-ground railroad to make map borders.

Another good idea for civilian vehicles is crashed aircraft. Things like the Aquila Lander and Arvus Lighter don't exactly look 'military only', and I could very well imagine a Thunderhawk Heavy Lifter being put to use on a Forge World.

One thing to avoid would be personal transport that isn't luxurious. Bicycles are a classic example. No-one in the Imperium would ride a bike, except maybe some blonde-haired youth on an Agri-world. And no aristocrat would lower themself to putting effort into moving. The walking chair idea is hilariously perfect, although it would look a little silly sitting randomly on the map. Perhaps one fallen on its side, with a suitably rich-looking corpse tangled among it, and plenty of blood splattered on the chair?

[migb]

I just love those ideas  

[ChromeAngel]

I agree I think Khargoth's description of the style sounds just right.  Now, is anyone free to make this stuff?  :wink:

[Lukovich]

good job 40k lacks tv... imagine the imperium version of "pimp my walker" >_<

[Wolf]

lols and cribs ^^

[zombie223]

there main vechleis are deprived from civilian just added weopons.

[Fulgrim]

No, that's not fully true. Some military vehicles have much in common with the civilian vehicles of Imperium like for example there are tractors or bulldozers pretty much identical with Leman Russ tanks thanks to the now lost STC technology. And of course then there are stuff that's both in civilian and military use like arvus lighters. But generally, people don't cruise around with Land Raiders without guns. My suggestion for the civilian vehicles would be to use the CSM codex look like someone already suggested before. I think they just look right.

[Khargoth]

I can imagine the Chimera chassis being used in civilian applications, the Leman Russ body however seems to be more designed to carry heavy armour, something civilans aren't worried about. And I very much doubt things like Rhinos would be used by civilians, for starters they have a Machine Spirit that needs tending to, and they are a very 'exclusive' vehicle in the Imperium, being limited to the Adeptus Astartes and the Chambers Militant of the Inquisition. Rhinos are sometimes owned by the Arbites, and in those cases they are considered very valuable assets.

I think something like a rigid truck, with small sets of tank treads instead of wheels would look very appropriate in 40k.

[migb]

I agree that pretty much every veichle used by the Space Marines are too rare, expensive and advanced to be used as civilian veichle.

The tank-track tractor sounds like a good idea, but pretty displaced in an urban setting. Unless it is inside a machine factory in the city.
Something like a revamped Rolls Royce with pleanty of imperial symbols would be fitting for royalty and top officials in the administration.
And of cause there should be trains for public transport. They should have a heavy industrialized look, pretty much like the trains in Iron Grip.

[Typheron]

depends on the nature of the train, in the lower city level then yes, but in the upper levels of the building i could see more sleak things running arround for the higher classes.

[Fulgrim]

True, but would those rich and powerful enough to live on upper levels of a city humble themselves by going with public transport? Assuming that they would I'd imagine them like ornamented and armoured modern-time bullet trains.

And of the lower level trains, I would imagine them to be something like NY or east European underground with less graffiti and more bolts and plates.